No Automatic for M5?

We have been hearing from sources for quite sometime that the next generation ///M5 will for a variety of reasons use an automatic gearbox. Things have just changed. While we can not confirm what the ///M5 will have to change gears a BMW official has told us to “Have faith that the next M5 won’t be equipped with an automatic transmission.”

That leaves the door wide open for speculating but there are now multiple options that are not true torque converter automatics that could fit the bill.

Both GETRAG, BMWs current DCT supplier, and ZF have DCTs capable of handling upwards 600 ft-lbs of torque which aside from possible packaging and fitment issues would work in the F10 ///M5.

The other possibility is that the torque number will not be that high, something the engineers had hinted at of the ///M SAV launch. They suggested that in future applications the motor could be tuned to better fit a cars dynamics. Taking that into consideration means even more DCTs (including the current M3′s) may work.

There is one option that is not a DCT and not a “true” automatic as it does not have a torque converter. BMW’s ZF sourced 8HP automatic can according to sources be equipped with a wet clutch pack, giving increased sportiness with the same lighting fast shifts. This setup is not used currently because torque converters require less maintenance and have a longer service life- but on a low volume ///M model that is not a concern as part of the warranty/maintenance plan.

There are also rumors that the US may continue to see a manual offered. Sales of the last model were brisk for the manual and as I was reminded, in the US it is more about driver engagement rather than just speed.

While we have not confirmed or eliminated any transmission from the next ///M5 we have a better understanding of what may come. We also have a rejuvenated faith in BMW to not stick a slushbox in such a monstrous performance machine.

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Written By: Michael

  • Adam

    Well I guess all the fear mongering forum trolls were a little quick to shoot this time.

    I’m excited to see what comes from this M5. Even as young as I am (early 20′s) I learned to drive on a manual so I do appreciate rowing gears, most of the performance cars I drove were manuals, numerous M3′s, M5′s, Murcielago’s, WRX’s, S2000′s, even a 1977 BMW 2002.

    On the other hand I have a left knee injury which makes shifting in a sports car nearly torture, but in some ways i’d still take a manual. The reward is well worth any inconvienience or temporary discomfort, after all I’d be driving a manual for the experience of it, in those moments when you feel the car as an extention of yourself… thats what a manual does.

  • Dave

    Michael, can you explain your apparent contradictory statements about the tranny in this car? This post talks about having faith in BMW that they won’t put an auto in, yet in another recent thread you indicated it would be worthless to put a manual in the car.

  • Martin

    Maybe BMW will decide to put one of those seamless shift gearboxes, like Zeroshift or Xtrac, that would be some choice! Technically they are manuals with automatic mode.

  • Oliver

    Dave, Michael doesn’t know anything. He is just postulating the current rumor of the day.

    In another thread, I suggested that with the way BMW was handling the allocations for the 1M, some dealers would receive more allocations than what they already had sold. He insisted this wasn’t the case and that with the high demand and limited production, it was very unlikely the car would end up in a dealers showroom.

    A poster over on bimmerpost just confirmed that a dealership in Alexandria, Va received five allocations, four are already sold with the fifth ordered by the sales manager to be placed in the showroom to attract customers.

    • http://bimmerfile.com Michael

      Oliver- thanks for the kind words! Hate to say it but your interpretation of what I said was incorrect according to MY sources. That car could have been marked as sold by being listed to an employee at the dealership, as you stated by the Manager- guess what BMW sees that as a sold car. BMW is NOT building cars to sit at dealers, they have no plans to and that is why the allocation system is setup in the manner it is. What a dealer chooses to do to circumvent the system (in this case by marking a car as sold) is their own decision and not that of BMWNA. I am not sure how what I stated is not clearly proved by this occurrence. If that allocation was not marked as sold it would not have been given to that dealer and cycled to the next one. I also said that some dealers would be getting more cars than others and that allocation numbers would be flexible. We have intimate knowledge if this whole process and are aware of what is happening.

      As for the auto “rumor” I will address this directly later in the day. Considering I was told this by a BMW corporate employee with knowledge of the next M5 I am confident in it.

      I stand behind my sources while my opinion may not match the final decisions- opinion and fact/speculation are different things.

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